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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: floorboards on August 21, 2011, 11:18 pm
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I have a dilemma and would appreciate input: I would like to get really good M from a reputable source to the US and seems that it's down to two players: Juergen and AAKoven. With price not really a factor, there are pros and cons for each (from what i've read, and not actual personal experience) -
Juergen Pros: from germany, good feedback, good business philosophy, more likely that package arrives, esrow
AAKoven Pros: product quality, product quality, product quality, good feedback, good business philosophy
Juergen cons: product quality seems less than 100% (so i've read, not experienced)
AAKoven cons: from NL and less likely to arrive, out of escrow for US customers
Does anyone have an opinion? I would really like to get my hands on some quality goods but don't want any issues with the LE either.
With my limited experience here on the road, I only want to stick with peer reviewed vendors and not newbies. If i'm leaving out a vendor, please let me know. thanks
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im wondering same thing, both are professional though. if $$ isnt an issue order from both. I think both package well and have quality product. I have only got q-dance pills from schizofreen and his shipping to the west coast of usa was around 4 business days
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I think my reviews of aakoven are getting tired lol - fortunately that's how satisfied I am dealing with him.
Packages have gotten to northeast USA in 6 days, and the packaging is very very good. uses many stealth techniques. product is out of this world, and the price is great for that kind of product.
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I would always choice the one out of NL, because my product arrival is 50% with the NL.
EU I have a 100% arrival, mainly the UK, but have received stuff outside of UK in EU.
:D
nomadbloodbath
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thanks to those who replied...a follow up:
@fancy: I read your previous comments, but just wanted to know more. approx, how many times have you ordered from AA and is your success rate 100%?
@Nomad: thanks for your vigilance (not just brown-nosing): is that 50% success rate from NL ever worth the trouble for 100% pure M, or not? And...is it worth the potential legal troubles if half of the packages is stopped somehow, presumably by of LE (NL or US customs).
I just want really really good stuff but not be stupid at the same time. At this point, If I'm going to take a risk with AAKoven, then I might just go all-in rather just order from both, Juergen and AAk. Oh decisions, decisions.
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I'm pondering the same "juergen2001 or AAKoven" question right now. I'm leaning a little bit towards AAKoven at this point because he has the MDMA in the quantity I want, and the reviews of his product make me very optimistic. It also sounds like he has a lot of success reaching the US from NL, so it might just be worth the risk. I'll keep following this discussion, though.
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@Nomad: thanks for your vigilance (not just brown-nosing): is that 50% success rate from NL ever worth the trouble for 100% pure M, or not? And...is it worth the potential legal troubles if half of the packages is stopped somehow, presumably by of LE (NL or US customs).
Not to me, but you can take your chances, I've never received a love letter about the ones I never got.
But 100% success, sounds twice as good as 50%?
:D
nomad bloodbath
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Now I'm starting to learn towards juergen2001 again, given the issues with receiving from NL. So hard to decide! I've got time, though, since I'm still sorting out how to transfer BTC to SR.
However, I'm interested in more than 1 gram, and the next amount he's offering is 5 grams, which seems a little much. And it feels like a quantity that might make me look like a distributor rather than a user, if law enforcement opens the package. I'd much rather get 2 grams. I messaged juergen2001 about that early today, but haven't gotten a response yet.
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based on everyone's input, I'm going with Juergen b/c of the reasons mentioned above. We'll see how it works out.
@acurlenamu: i'm no expert, but you can just order 2x 1 gram of juergen's product in the shopping cart. I also PM'ed Juergen with no response. It is a weekend.
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the comments are positive for either .. prices are similar .. and the quality of the product seems good..the choice seems difficult.......
the only one who has the best prices is freedomepeople...because others have so high prices ?
1 gr mdma
juergen2001 = 66$
AAKoven = 60$
freedomepeople = 48$
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the only one who has the best prices is freedomepeople...because others have so high prices ?
he doesnt ship to usa though so that is why its between AA and juergen2001
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My vote is on jeurgen2001. G R E A T
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Another vote for juergen2001!
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They both sound excellent, and they both seem to get through regulalry.
Juergen2001 got my friends order through to Australia, so that speaks volumes.
I saw a test (as posted in another thread) of Juergen2001 's mdma being tested.
Smoke, fizz, blue- purple - black = super strong MDMA reaction.
On this reagent MDA is red to purple, so I think the MDA rumours are probably not true.
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Nothing personally but I'd rather have my MDMA come from Germany than the Netherlands.
AAkoven has dank shit.
Juergen2001 has dank shit.
:D
nomad bloodbath
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I just ordered some from juergen2001...just out of curiosity 8) ;D
Lets see if I get it through
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I've purchased from AAKoven and it went very smoothly. I'm in Australia and I've got it no problems. It took about 10 working days to arrive.
Definitely recommend
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I also can recommend AAkoven.
Great quality, great packaging. Took 4 days from NL -> Scandinavia. (Thursday afternoon -> Monday :o )
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Can anyone please give me some dosage stats for Juergen's mdma?
130mg 150 mg 200mg?
i.e anyone rolling hard from 130mg? tolerances etc.
thanks
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It's about 85% pure, 150 - 200 mg of this stuff is a serious night for me. I use MDMA about once every 3 weeks with healthy living and few drugs between uses.
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I just ordered AAKovens new batch, I'm expecting delivery next week and as soon as I get it i'll be sure to post an update. From what I hear both juergen an aakoven are legit with some really strong molly.
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I can't talk about AAkoven as I haven't ordered from him, but judging by his reviews and talk on the board he must be a proper fella. I'd love to order from him but I'm really paranoid about NL shipments.
As for Juergen and the quality, I have ordered from him recently and the shit made my damn teeth rattle in my jaw and my eyeballs roll back into my skull despite being a guy having built quite a bit of tolerance.
To this effect, juergen's stuff is HIGHLY HIGHLY recommendable. Top notch quality...
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Can anyone please give me some dosage stats for Juergen's mdma?
130mg 150 mg 200mg?
i.e anyone rolling hard from 130mg? tolerances etc.
thanks
I'm a 220 pound guy having used A LOT of molly for years. On top, a few years back I was really stupid and didn't understand molly so i popped it like 3 times a week. Despite all that built-up tolerance 200mg of Juergen's shit had me rolling really really really hard. I was so twitched out it was ridiculous...
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Has anyone in Australia ordered MDMA from juergen and if so what was the shipping time?
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I placed an order for MDMA from juergen shipped to the US, I paid for the international letter which was marked in transit quickly and I quickly finalized, but he still hasn't marked the MDMA as in transit so I can finalize early... I'm sure it'll come through though, and I'll post back on the quality.
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A mate got an order from Juergen2001, it took 10 days (including weekend) to arrive.
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for anyone who's had the fortune to sample them all -
how would you say juergen and/or AAKoven 's product compare to the MDMA 3Jane used to carry?
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Has anyone in Australia ordered MDMA from juergen and if so what was the shipping time?
woot. I just received mine. took 8 business days
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AAKoven 4 Business days to the USA. Slick packaging. My success rate from the NL is at 70% now.
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Why Netherlands is a disadvantage? There is a lot of good things came from there, isn't?
Now I read the posts. The chances of get the product are lower even with a safe package.
Uau, so the post office services are racists and xenophobes against dutch orders!
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i have only had 1/1 .nl shipments to the usa work, although one from aakoven should be coming sometime soon so I will update with the results
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I used AAKOVEN
so this was a great transaction, im now 2/2 from .nl to .usa. The packaging is supurb, a lot better than the first vendor I used. I did it out of escrow and it was shipped at my doorstep with in 5 business days. Im not sure about the quality, it is a light greyish power but not super fine. I have never had .nl mdma before but im guessing the crystal was crushed to make shipping easier. I would use this vendor again!
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Why Netherlands is a disadvantage? There is a lot of good things came from there, isn't?
Now I read the posts. The chances of get the product are lower even with a safe package.
Uau, so the post office services are racists and xenophobes against dutch orders!
haha indeed my friend, it's fucked up. but I don't think it's such a huge disadvantage...
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Has anyone tested Aakoven's new batch yet? I want to order but it looks a bit different than the stuff he had before, which was apparently fire...
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oop,
I wont have a chance to try it for awhile but another board member should get it with in a few days and will try quickly from what he told me. I am anxious for the results
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I don't have a E-testing kit but it is fantastic ;)
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ok this is some weird shit
I bombed 50mg of juergens MDMA in some tissue paper at about 8pm lastnight. I was not really in the mood but I have some friends wanting some for next weekend and I thought I better test it.
I had just finished this huge meal, like i gorged myself. Chilli con carne, rice, sour cream fucking awesome it was..anyway bombed the mdma at 8, put on some cool tunes and waited.
It got to about 11pm and I had felt absolutely nothing. So I start to wonder if I had been duped. I go to bed feeling ripped off wondering if maybe another 100mg would have made the difference but then surely I would feel something on 50mg. Eye pupils were normal.
I read my book till 12 fully sober. Switch out the lights
I dont know what time it was after that but I woke up with a fully clenched jaw with the body warmth to match:) My legs were slightly numb at this stage. I layed there for ages totally enjoying that 50mg and all the sensations.
My eyes are like saucers this morning and I feel so happy with absolutely no hangover...maybe I am still a little munted:)
I cant wait for a full dose with friends
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Novocaine, presuming you know the difference between MDMA and other MDXXs, can you do me a favour and be a little scientific when you try 120+ mgs?
As much as the quality and strength of Juergen's shit is grande, I am pretty sure it was an MDMA/MDEA combo. Had us all very wobbly on our feet, mellow/stoned, eyeball wobbles through the roof and mega jaw action. Not as much love, chatting and nowhere near suitable for dancing. Very enjoyable and clean, but not loving the universe to the full extent expected.
This was from 150mgs on empty stomach, followed up with 50mg.
Thanks.
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yes you are correct. very mellow/stone, lots of jaw clenching and very clean.
Im not a huge expert so I am not going to call it. But didnt get the empathic lovey warmness that I have felt in the past.
I was by myself though. Not in a club or chilling with friends. So I will let you know what we all think in a week or 2.
Have you tried AA's product yet?
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I can vouch for the quality of juergen's mdma. I just sampled 70-80MGs on a mostly empty stomache and have a low mdma tollerance. I felt great. definately the cleanest roll I've ever had. It lasted around 4 hours even. No harsh come done or hangover of any kind.
I checked through a lot of his ratings and I believe the only 1/5 ratings are just competitors trying to bring his rating down. They are both exactly the same copyied and pasted and one has no explanation at all.
That is not to say there are no other good vendors on SR. Does anyone have experience with QualityDutchBeans yet? He has some great looking listings that seem legit.
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I received a gram of MDMA from both vendors today! What a coincidence :) Packaging was great for both of them, and they both look great too. Juergen's is slightly more ground up, with AAkoven's having chunkier pieces of shard. Both are obviously shard quality.
Now the real question?! Which to take next weekend for the biggest show/rave of the month....
I really can't decide, I've heard such great things about both vendors MDMA.
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Dont forget my MDMA ;) Top notch quality and im not the only one who says so: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=537.0 !!
Warm greetings,
Mitanox
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Placed an order with Aakoven last night. Looking forward to my first purchase on SR. Will update on package arrival and product quality in next few weeks. ;D
Aakoven had great communication throughout the experience. 5/5 thus far
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I can vouch for the quality of juergen's mdma. I just sampled 70-80MGs on a mostly empty stomache and have a low mdma tollerance. I felt great. definately the cleanest roll I've ever had. It lasted around 4 hours even. No harsh come done or hangover of any kind.
I checked through a lot of his ratings and I believe the only 1/5 ratings are just competitors trying to bring his rating down. They are both exactly the same copyied and pasted and one has no explanation at all.
That is not to say there are no other good vendors on SR. Does anyone have experience with QualityDutchBeans yet? He has some great looking listings that seem legit.
No one has doubted the quality, strength and cleaness of Juergen's gear that I have seen on the forums. However, myself and a few other people are not 100% sure it is MDMA. Either a MDEA combo or very pure MDEA. I have been using MDMA for over 15 years and am not totally convinced. Would love to hear from people who have had their share of MDEA spiked pills in the past. A few years ago just before the global MDMA shortage kicked in fully there was a glut of MDEA based/mixed pills on the market. Juergen's gear reminds me of a stronger, better version of these pills. Girls especially used to complain because they would get knocked on their ass and not able to dance, and not feel as open and euphoric.
Admittedly, Juergen may have had several different batches go out since he started so it might not be the same experience for everyone.
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this is the topic.. Re: MDMA - juergen2001 or AAKoven?
there is for every one A topic right ;)
but some who need MORE attention Mitanox !! Mitanox Mitanox Mitanox Mitanox Mitanox :P DONT WORGET HIM :-* :-* :-*
Dont forget my MDMA ;) Top notch quality and im not the only one who says so: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=537.0 !!
Warm greetings, Mitanox
and there is A topic
MDMA quality, from sellers on SR. please post reviews.
mebe you can pump there your add Mitanox ". ::)
AA....aghhh :D
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LMAO
so anyway.. a very close friend booted 120mg of juergens last night. He is not an expert on MDMA/MDEA but said extremely speedy, no euphoria that he has had with mdma in the past. His words were 'you can pass it off as gear(speed)'
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LMAO
so anyway.. a very close friend booted 120mg of juergens last night. He is not an expert on MDMA/MDEA but said extremely speedy, no euphoria that he has had with mdma in the past. His words were 'you can pass it off as gear(speed)'
So try mine then ;) My MDMA wont let you down hehe!
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LMAO
so anyway.. a very close friend booted 120mg of juergens last night. He is not an expert on MDMA/MDEA but said extremely speedy, no euphoria that he has had with mdma in the past. His words were 'you can pass it off as gear(speed)'
If he wasn't experienced why would you use him as a tester and then just take his extremeley subjective opinion and post it on this forum? Juergen's stuff is great. I'm sure Mitanox is good too and I intend on trying his sometime soon as well. But there is nothing "speedy" about Juergen's product, other than just the fact that MDMA and amphetemine are closely related chemicals.
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He is experienced. But he has never been handed a sample of every MDXX straight from the chemist ie no third party...so he can objectively know what is what. Its all word of mouth really.
In this case his opinion is as above....speedy. Maybe you got a different batch. As for me Im yet to try a full dose.
im waiting in some AA and will definitely try mitanox only to shut him up :P :P ;)
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He is experienced. But he has never been handed a sample of every MDXX straight from the chemist ie no third party...so he can objectively know what is what. Its all word of mouth really.
In this case his opinion is as above....speedy. Maybe you got a different batch. As for me Im yet to try a full dose.
im waiting in some AA and will definitely try mitanox only to shut him up :P :P ;)
Yeah. I guess unless you are a chemist its reeaaallly hard to prove what any substances truly are. You just have to consume it and guess. Reagent testing just kinda proves positive or negative for a number of chemicals. Correct me if I'm wrong though as I've never actually done it.
What would be cool is if a really experienced chemist was a member of SR who could perform analysis on the drugs sold here. Then he could post results in the forums. An extreme amount of trust would be nessesary because he could kill any vendor he wanted with a fake bad review. If he got paid-off on the side to do so per se.
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I'm trying juergen don't make your decision based on the sexy long legs.
As for mitanox I cant even see anything in the ecstasy category.
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my boy and his wife just took 200 mg each on fri night of jeurgens brown crystals. thay both said it blew theyre fucking minds away. eye wiggles like mad they said the blowup stage was so intense and they have never rolled this hard in theyre lives before this fri. same exact report basically as my other 2 friends reported from last friday. my boy couldnt stop raving bout this stuff the next day. he said he would pimp his wife out to jeurgen just to have more lol. he has rolled on the strongest of the pokes from cali and said that stuff was garbage compared to juergons stuff. in my opinion juergon is the best vendor on sr. every package has made it safely and he has great communication to. im dropping it in 3 weeks myself so ill update w my own report. oh and one last thing neither group reported ant speediness they both said the comedown was non existent fell right asleep no propblems and slept like logs. my boy kept telling me all day yesterday how amazing he still feels w a nice afterglow.
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Due to needing shipping to the US, I decided to go with juergen2001 (after being scammed by pillowtalk) bc of the greater risk by ordering from NL. I haven't had a chance to really try it yet, but will tomorrow night. So I was transferring the tan MDMA to a tiny baggy, and of course I got a tiny, tiny bit on my finger, and licked it off. Plus i licked a tiny bit off the bag. From experience, I know that licking a trace like that would generally do nothing but leave a bad taste in my mouth. I definitely started to feel a little come up and euphoria, which I was not expecting at all. Makes me really excited about tomorrow night! Plus it came in 4 days, and that's including the weekend.
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Just updating on my last posts (x-posting on all MDMA/AAkoven threads):
My first SR purchase last week was made through AAKoven and it was out of escrow because I saw he was a top seller with awesome quality!
Made the transaction Monday night, and he shipped it out Tuesday morning. I have received it today (took 5 business days since Friday was no delivery cause of Vets day!)! **I live central US** Smells and looks like pure MDMA still little small crystals left in packaging. I give his shipping 5/5 super fast!
The packaging was also superb, plain and simple yet so very very discreet! 5/5 packaging even though this is my first purchase.
His communication with the buyer is also very quick and responsive so I give him a 5/5 for that too!
Also, gave me a killer deal 4g for $200USD! Came out to around 4.7G with bag included.
Marquis test was straight purple to black instantly! I will be testing his product this weekend and will report back with that!
Overall i'm very pleased with him and I will be back for future purchases!
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i've been experimenting with AA's dosage and mixes.
Currently, I parachuted 180mg of AA's powder/crystal mix. The last time I rolled on 150mg of AA, and it was underwhelming, but I conclude that it was my fault.
This time, I drank two cans of caffeinated drinks to get the party going first, and that has seemed to make the biggest difference.
I feel awesome right now. lots of gum chewing, some eye wiggles, but very alive too. too bad i'm sitting in front of a computer.
Thinking about taking a 50mg bump....any votes for yes or no?
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redose a 100mg in a capsule!
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ok @SRtravler, you talked me into it. measured out 100mg of AA's and licked it off the scale. I've never had an issue with the taste.